Thuderbird NNTP Test

Sendt from Thuderbird 102.3.3.

Tomas Slavotinek

2022-10-17 19:57:46 UTC

Post by Tomas Slavotinek
Sendt from Thuderbird 102.3.3.

Hah, looks like it no longer crashes when sending NNTP messages.

Strange. There were NNTP-related fixes in some of the previous minor
updates, but these didn't fix the problem for me. I don't see any NNTP
bugfixes in the latest (102.3.3) release notes... yet it works meow. Hmm

Louis, can you confirm? (if you still have TB installed for emails)

JWR

2022-10-17 20:18:05 UTC

Post by Tomas Slavotinek
Sendt from Thuderbird 102.3.3.

Hah, looks like it no longer crashes when sending NNTP messages.
Strange. There were NNTP-related fixes in some of the previous minor updates, but these didn't fix the problem for me. I don't see any NNTP bugfixes in the latest (102.3.3) release notes... yet it works meow. Hmm
Louis, can you confirm? (if you still have TB installed for emails)

Hey, that sounds hopeful!

I'm still holding station at 91.11.0 (64-bit) on Mint 20.2

--
Jelte,
Admirer of the letter of IBM with blue Ishiki

Tomas Slavotinek

2022-10-17 20:40:02 UTC

Post by Tomas Slavotinek
Sendt from Thuderbird 102.3.3.

Hah, looks like it no longer crashes when sending NNTP messages.
Strange. There were NNTP-related fixes in some of the previous minor
updates, but these didn't fix the problem for me. I don't see any NNTP
bugfixes in the latest (102.3.3) release notes... yet it works meow. Hmm
Louis, can you confirm? (if you still have TB installed for emails)

Hey, that sounds hopeful!
I'm still holding station at 91.11.0 (64-bit) on Mint 20.2

Thunderbird 102.3.3 (64-bit), Windows 10 21H2 here.

But yea, better wait a bit longer. At least until somebody else confirms
this as fixed. :)

Tomas Slavotinek

2022-11-05 19:26:34 UTC

Post by Tomas Slavotinek
Sendt from Thuderbird 102.3.3.

Hah, looks like it no longer crashes when sending NNTP messages.
Strange. There were NNTP-related fixes in some of the previous minor
updates, but these didn't fix the problem for me. I don't see any
NNTP bugfixes in the latest (102.3.3) release notes... yet it works
meow. Hmm
Louis, can you confirm? (if you still have TB installed for emails)

Hey, that sounds hopeful!
I'm still holding station at 91.11.0 (64-bit) on Mint 20.2

Thunderbird 102.3.3 (64-bit), Windows 10 21H2 here.
But yea, better wait a bit longer. At least until somebody else confirms
this as fixed. :)

Ok fellas, this is quite annoying. It started crashing for me again. The
issue seems to come and go... I was at 102.4.2 when the issue returned,
but it kept crashing even when I went back to the previously stable
102.3.3 build.

So, I downgraded to the latest build from the 91 branch (91.13.1 as of
now). They are actually backporting security patches from 102 to 91, so
they clearly know the newer codebase has issues.

I have submitted the crash dump multiple times, together with some
additional info but looks like I'll have to check bugzilla again. Or
debug it myself if nothing else works...

JWR

2022-11-05 20:00:31 UTC

Post by Tomas Slavotinek
Sendt from Thuderbird 102.3.3.

Hah, looks like it no longer crashes when sending NNTP messages.
Strange. There were NNTP-related fixes in some of the previous minor updates, but these didn't fix the problem for me. I don't see any NNTP bugfixes in the latest (102.3.3) release notes... yet it works meow. Hmm
Louis, can you confirm? (if you still have TB installed for emails)

Hey, that sounds hopeful!
I'm still holding station at 91.11.0 (64-bit) on Mint 20.2

Thunderbird 102.3.3 (64-bit), Windows 10 21H2 here.
But yea, better wait a bit longer. At least until somebody else confirms this as fixed. :)

Ok fellas, this is quite annoying. It started crashing for me again. The issue seems to come and go... I was at 102.4.2 when the issue returned, but it kept crashing even when I went back to the previously stable 102.3.3 build.
So, I downgraded to the latest build from the 91 branch (91.13.1 as of now). They are actually backporting security patches from 102 to 91, so they clearly know the newer codebase has issues.
I have submitted the crash dump multiple times, together with some additional info but looks like I'll have to check bugzilla again. Or debug it myself if nothing else works...

Hi Tomas,

Thanks for this update, albeit an unhappy one :(

--
Jelte,
Admirer of the letter of IBM with blue Ishiki

Marco Moock

2022-10-18 10:37:55 UTC

Subject: Thuderbird NNTP Test

Please use test groups for testing a newsreader.

Tomas Slavotinek

2022-10-18 11:20:19 UTC

Post by Marco Moock

Subject: Thuderbird NNTP Test

Please use test groups for testing a newsreader.

Yeah, perhaps alt.test would have been a better place for this. But I'd
be posting my results here anyway, since I know that some CSIPH members
are interested in knowing what the situation with TB 102 is.

Well, if anyone finds this thread distracting, then I apologize.
Hopefully my other contributions offset this "inconvenience".

Louis Ohland

2022-10-18 11:47:58 UTC

It's more inconvenient to have TB fold up like a cheap suit when trying
to post to a newsgroup. At least we can findt out how it's going...

Seamonkey has poorer handling of images with it's mail app.

Post by Marco Moock

Subject: Thuderbird NNTP Test

Please use test groups for testing a newsreader.

Yeah, perhaps alt.test would have been a better place for this. But I'd
be posting my results here anyway, since I know that some CSIPH members
are interested in knowing what the situation with TB 102 is.
Well, if anyone finds this thread distracting, then I apologize.
Hopefully my other contributions offset this "inconvenience".

JWR

2022-10-19 06:48:56 UTC

Post by Marco Moock

Subject: Thuderbird NNTP Test

Please use test groups for testing a newsreader.

In general: you are right.

In this specific case Tomas met with problems posting on this NNTP-usenetgroup and asked if anyone else experienced similar problems.
And was *asked* by members (me for instance) to keep us posted on developments.

Which he did.
And which I'm grateful for.

Also, this usergroup is known and renowned for discussing off-topic items in a very tolerant way. Something most other groups fail to do.

--
Jelte,
Admirer of the letter of IBM with blue Ishiki

moussa

2022-11-09 05:52:30 UTC

Post by Tomas Slavotinek
Sendt from Thuderbird 102.3.3.

Hi Thomas

been using Thunderbird for years and years ATM 10.4.0
never had any issues

Debian on a ACER Veriton/I7 with 8GB RAM

most of the tiume through SSH X session

would help maybe to give details of your setup, as it could be hardware
related issue at your end. example RAM

--
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moussa

2022-11-09 05:53:24 UTC

Post by moussa

Post by Tomas Slavotinek
Sendt from Thuderbird 102.3.3.

Hi Thomas
been using Thunderbird for years and years ATM 10.4.0
never had any issues
Debian on a ACER Veriton/I7 with 8GB RAM
most of the tiume through SSH X session
would help maybe to give details of your setup, as it could be hardware
related issue at your end. example RAM

102.4.0 typo

Tomas Slavotinek

2022-11-09 10:24:50 UTC

Post by moussa

Post by Tomas Slavotinek
Sendt from Thuderbird 102.3.3.

Hi Thomas
been using Thunderbird for years and years ATM 10.4.0
never had any issues
Debian on a ACER Veriton/I7 with 8GB RAM
most of the tiume through SSH X session
would help maybe to give details of your setup, as it could be
hardware related issue at your end. example RAM

102.4.0 typo

Hi, It's not a hardware issue. I was able to replicate it on two
different and otherwise perfectly stable machines. Louis also reported
having the same problem.

The crash only occurs when sending an NNTP message from one of the 102
builds. The application is stable aside from that - it never even once
crashed when sending a classic email over SMTP. The 91 branch doesn't
have the same problem (I have now reverted to the latest 91 build).

Why it worked a few sometimes and then started crashing again? Idk, but
behavior like that is typical for buffer overflows and similar problems.

I have posted this before, but for completeness' sake, here is some info
about my setup:

Thunderbird 102.3.3, 102.4.2, and other 64-bit Windows builds from the
102 range. Windows 10 21H2 64-bit, version 10.0.19044.2130.

I'm using exactly the same settings for 91 and 102. It happens even with
all extensions disabled. And with both Kev's CSIPH server and Eternal
September. And both when starting a new thread
or replying to an existing message.

It may be Windows-exclusive, but I saw a similar report on the Debian or
ubuntu mailing list.

I'm not a fan of the Bugzilla bug tracker but looks like I'll have to
shift through it and create a ticket manually. The submitted crash dumps
went seemingly nowhere. I'm not complaining, they are probably busy with
more important bugs... since TB is primarily an email client rather than
a news reader.

moussa

2022-11-10 02:08:33 UTC

a shot in the dark

can you change server to aioe.org

AFAIR no need for user name or password

and try again

Tomas Slavotinek

2022-11-10 10:45:02 UTC

Post by moussa
a shot in the dark
can you change server to aioe.org
AFAIR no need for user name or password
and try again

I'm not gonna update to 102 again just to test this, but I intend to do
a clean install on one of my other machines... so I'll test it there.

JWR

2023-02-01 09:28:55 UTC

Post by moussa
a shot in the dark
can you change server to aioe.org
AFAIR no need for user name or password
and try again

I'm not gonna update to 102 again just to test this, but I intend to do a clean install on one of my other machines... so I'll test it there.

Hi Tomas,

Any news yet?

(still stuck on 91.11.0 (64-bit))

--
Jelte,
Admirer of the letter of IBM with blue Ishiki

Tomas Slavotinek

2023-02-01 19:43:13 UTC

Post by moussa
a shot in the dark
can you change server to aioe.org
AFAIR no need for user name or password
and try again

I'm not gonna update to 102 again just to test this, but I intend to
do a clean install on one of my other machines... so I'll test it there.

Hi Tomas,
Any news yet?
(still stuck on 91.11.0 (64-bit))

Good question!

I'll check the changelogs and give the 102 branch another try this
weekend...

JWR

2023-02-01 19:51:26 UTC

Post by moussa
a shot in the dark
can you change server to aioe.org
AFAIR no need for user name or password
and try again

I'm not gonna update to 102 again just to test this, but I intend to do a clean install on one of my other machines... so I'll test it there.

Hi Tomas,
Any news yet?
(still stuck on 91.11.0 (64-bit))

Good question!
I'll check the changelogs and give the 102 branch another try this weekend...

No hurry, TB 91 still works (on Linux anyway).

Referring to Moussa's hint: aioe.org is down. Has been for a while already. No idea why or what happened there. Used it for years without problems and very little downtime.

--
Jelte,
Admirer of the letter of IBM with blue Ishiki

JWR

2024-05-13 08:46:35 UTC

Post by moussa
a shot in the dark
can you change server to aioe.org
AFAIR no need for user name or password
and try again

I'm not gonna update to 102 again just to test this, but I intend to do a clean install on one of my other machines... so I'll test it there.

Hi Tomas,
Any news yet?
(still stuck on 91.11.0 (64-bit))

Good question!
I'll check the changelogs and give the 102 branch another try this weekend...

No hurry, TB 91 still works (on Linux anyway).
Referring to Moussa's hint: aioe.org is down. Has been for a while already. No idea why or what happened there. Used it for years without problems and very little downtime.

Took a big step: jumped from 91.11.0 to 115.10.1 (64-bit, Linux)
So far no issues.

Not really fond of the new look and feel, but maybe I can tweak it a bit font-wise.

--
Jelte,
Admirer of the letter of IBM with blue Ishiki

MEK

2024-05-14 03:37:20 UTC

Post by moussa
a shot in the dark
can you change server to aioe.org
AFAIR no need for user name or password
and try again

I'm not gonna update to 102 again just to test this, but I intend
to do a clean install on one of my other machines... so I'll test
it there.

Hi Tomas,
Any news yet?
(still stuck on 91.11.0 (64-bit))

Good question!
I'll check the changelogs and give the 102 branch another try this weekend...

No hurry, TB 91 still works (on Linux anyway).
Referring to Moussa's hint: aioe.org is down. Has been for a while
already. No idea why or what happened there. Used it for years without
problems and very little downtime.

Took a big step: jumped from 91.11.0 to 115.10.1 (64-bit, Linux)
So far no issues.
Not really fond of the new look and feel, but maybe I can tweak it a bit font-wise.

I use dark theme seems to go easier on my eyes, same vintage

Tomas Slavotinek

2024-05-22 17:44:54 UTC

Post by MEK

Post by moussa
a shot in the dark
can you change server to aioe.org
AFAIR no need for user name or password
and try again

I'm not gonna update to 102 again just to test this, but I intend
to do a clean install on one of my other machines... so I'll test
it there.

Hi Tomas,
Any news yet?
(still stuck on 91.11.0 (64-bit))

Good question!
I'll check the changelogs and give the 102 branch another try this weekend...

No hurry, TB 91 still works (on Linux anyway).
Referring to Moussa's hint: aioe.org is down. Has been for a while
already. No idea why or what happened there. Used it for years
without problems and very little downtime.

Took a big step: jumped from 91.11.0 to 115.10.1 (64-bit, Linux)
So far no issues.
Not really fond of the new look and feel, but maybe I can tweak it a bit font-wise.

I use dark theme seems to go easier on my eyes, same vintage

Updated as well.

I actually always liked the new UI more and kinda missed it when I had
to downgrade. Especially the compact lists and colorized folder icons
are a nice change. And yeah, dark theme ftw!

So far it seems stable and the occasional rendering issues appear to be
gone as well. Fingers crossed...

Kevin Bowling

2022-11-13 19:00:00 UTC