Monitor mania

[Louis Ohland]

I would like to replace my stalwart Eizo 17" monitor with a 19" or
bigger so I can run AIX.

Any decent flat CRT models out there? LCD is fine and great, but the
old style analog display is a lot more flexible with different resolutions.

The mass merchandisers seem to be limited to a few 17" CRTs and
everything else is LCD [better profit$].

[RickE]

Post by Louis Ohland
Any decent flat CRT models out there? LCD is fine and great, but the
old style analog display is a lot more flexible with different resolutions.

There are still a number of very nice flat-front CRT monitors
available, but they tend to be expensive. I'm currently using a pair
of IBM P260 monitors that I picked up for the price of "get those out
of here" because the previous owner was upgrading everything to LCD
displays. This is a 20-inch display running at 1600x1200, though it
could be run at a lower resolution.. give me a few more years and I'll
probably either drop the resolution or increase the standard font size.
The IBM P96 (19-inch Trinitron) is very nice, too. Follow-on models
to the P260 are the P275 and P290, the P96 follow-on was the P97.

Rick Ekblaw

[w***@hotmail.com]

Hi!

The last time I was monitor shopping, I bought a Viewsonic A90f+
display. (This is a 19 inch monitor, 18 of which are supposedly
"viewable". It has a flat faced screen.) I've had it for about three
years now and have been very happy with it.

Viewsonic is still selling at least one 19 inch CRT model, with a flat
faced screen. The only drawback is finding someone local who carries
their products. Best Buy used to carry some of their CRT monitors...I
don't think they do so now.

NEC is still selling CRTs, but only in their "business line" of
displays. I've been pretty happy with the two NEC MultiSync 95 monitors
I have, although one needed replacement filter capacitors after about
two years.

William

[UZnal]

Post by w***@hotmail.com
flat faced screen

I've been looking at the FST (flat screen tube) models of Eizo, e.g. T565,
but eventually the two horizontal lines that may appear on the screen (the
tension wires, not a defect but a feature of the tube) worry me, I can't
estimate how disturbing for the eyes that would be. How is your user
experience with such tubes?

[RickE]

The tension wires on Trinitron screens don't bother me, I'm used to
them. They show up best with a white background, but even then they
appear much fainter than a 1-pel horizontal line on the screen, so I
tend not to even notice them unless I'm looking for them.

Rick Ekblaw

[Louis Ohland]

I've had this C7TS since '94 and it is not very noticeable, even with a
white background.

Post by UZnal

Post by w***@hotmail.com
flat faced screen

I've been looking at the FST (flat screen tube) models of Eizo, e.g. T565,
but eventually the two horizontal lines that may appear on the screen (the
tension wires, not a defect but a feature of the tube) worry me, I can't
estimate how disturbing for the eyes that would be. How is your user
experience with such tubes?

[Jim Shorney]

Post by UZnal
I've been looking at the FST (flat screen tube) models of Eizo, e.g. T565,
but eventually the two horizontal lines that may appear on the screen (the
tension wires, not a defect but a feature of the tube) worry me, I can't
estimate how disturbing for the eyes that would be. How is your user
experience with such tubes?

Once you try Trinitron, you'll never go back. I'm using a Eizo (Nanao)
T560i that is several years old. The tension wires don't bother me, I
rarely even notice them. Also have several Sonys and, of course, the
6091-19i. I will never again willingly use a non-Trinitron CRT.

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Post by Jim Shorney
Once you try Trinitron, you'll never go back
I'm using a Eizo (Nanao)
T560i that is several years old. The tension wires don't bother me, I
rarely even notice them. Also have several Sonys and, of course, the
6091-19i

The main family computer here has a P96 attached - quite decent,
although actual viewable is a little under 18", I think. I use a big
honkin' P202 in the lab, and have a 6091-19i down there, too (haven't
used that for a while, though). My daughter uses a P70. I had 17" and
20" Sony's at work. My admiration for the XGA-2 and 9517 combination
is well established (9515, too, for that matter). Really nothing else
compares to Trinitron.

I don't even care much for LCD's, especially (although everybody seems
to want the sexy flat screen - until they see the effect of using other
than native resolution).

Post by Jim Shorney
I will never again willingly use a non-Trinitron CRT.

(At the risk of "me-too-ism") I feel exactly the same way.

When I was doing phone support for a big, direct-marketing, PC
manufacturer, I had a few customers complain about the wires. Mostly,
ISTR, some people trying to watch movies on their high-end multimedia
systems fixated on the wires as a defect. I use Trinitrons all the
time and never notice without trying. The performance is well worth
this effect.

[William R. Walsh]

Hi!

Post by UZnal
I've been looking at the FST (flat screen tube) models of Eizo, e.g. T565,
but eventually the two horizontal lines that may appear on the screen (the
tension wires, not a defect but a feature of the tube) worry me, I can't
estimate how disturbing for the eyes that would be.

This is only an issue on Trinitron and similar picture tubes. If the monitor
you're looking at has a conventional shadow mask type picture tube, then
there are no stabilizing wires.

Post by UZnal
How is your user
experience with such tubes?

I have used some Apple monitors that have Trinitron picture tubes, with the
stabilizing wires. They don't bother me...the superb image quality and
brightness of such a tube more than offsets the presence of the wires. Some
people are bothered by the lines, and it may be enough of a problem that
they won't like the monitor.

If you bump a running Trinitron/Diamondtron display, then you may see a very
interesting "shimmering" effect appear briefly. This is part of the reason
for the stabilizing wires.

Because it seems to be such a subjective matter, you may wish to examine
similar screens yourself. I highly recommend going to see a monitor perform
before you buy, no matter what type of picture tube it has.

William

[UZnal]

Thanks for your opinions, I think, I am relieved now. Whenever possible I do
not work with a white background, it is tiring for the eyes. Slightly
yellowish color gives the better contrast.

Post by William R. Walsh
This is only an issue on Trinitron and similar picture tubes.

With an aperture grille, as opposed to the shadow mask.

Post by William R. Walsh
Because it seems to be such a subjective matter, you may wish to examine
similar screens yourself. I highly recommend going to see a monitor perform
before you buy, no matter what type of picture tube it has.

Kind of impossible on eebay and not always possible otherwise. I want to get
a NIB or little used Eizo flat screen, the kind of the T565 (released 2001).
CRT monitor prices go down and I have been thinking of a good backup
monitor. This one, the replacement F56, is obviously aged, it needs half an
hour to warm up and get better, though the picture is still OK.

I noticed that the later Eizo CRT monitors have a video signal level
correction in the setup menu. The T565 has also preset brightness/contrast
modes for movie, text, graphics etc. Looks interesting, and I think, I got
too much used to the BNC/D-SUB switch. But I am not in a hurry, I can wait
now.

[Don Hills]

Post by UZnal
I've been looking at the FST (flat screen tube) models of Eizo, e.g. T565,
but eventually the two horizontal lines that may appear on the screen (the
tension wires, not a defect but a feature of the tube) worry me, I can't
estimate how disturbing for the eyes that would be. How is your user
experience with such tubes?

I've used a 21" Trinitron (IBM P200) for several years now. I really don't
notice the lines. If I'm sitting back at my usual distance (arms length plus
another hand's breadth) I have to squint to see them, even on a plain white
background. I have to get within 6 inches of the screen before they become
obvious. I don't know of anyone who's ever found them actually objectionable
or annoying. It figures - if they were that bad, tubes with them wouldn't
have been as popular and command the premium price that they did.